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Well I'm a bit of an emotional wreck. Let me just say I never cared for Jo and I was always mostly indifferent on Ellen.

So in the entire scene from where Jo was all about sacrificing herself and Ellen didn't just put her foot down I was like NO! No, no fucking WAY would that woman do that.

Which just made her sacrificing herself too so much worse. She knew from the moment Jo was clearly dying that she was just going to go ahead and die, too.

Idk, man, I have never cried over this show before--and I have some serious effing investment in it as anyone who's reading this should know--but I've had to turn the episode off for now and just cry for a while. I'll finish watching in a little while, I guess.

When Ellen said "My good girl" I turned it off, because tmi that's what my mom always says when you're sick or hurt.

Anyway I am a bit fucked up here.

I really thought the surgery scene from Changing Channels was going to come into play and Sam would save Jo. Oh well.

eta: ok watched the rest. Samael shoutie. Ok, I won't even bitch about the cop out on that.

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I also never cared one way or the other for them, but I had to wipe my eyes on my shoulder where my sister couldn't see, that scene hurt so much.

I think it says a lot that I never gave a shit about Jo AT ALL, and I am still very upset here. I think they saved it up as per usual.

God, ditto. I was like, oh well, she'll die by hellhound, shrug, and then she gave that speech and just. WOW. Good job writers, GREAT job actors. Those bitches were fierce.

(January 21, Kassie. JANU-FUCKING-ARY 21. GOOD GODDAMN. I am going to go crazy until everyone starts posting challenge fic.)

NO WHAT THIS IS A FOUL AND BLASPHEMOUS LIE

SURELY IT IS THE 14TH NOT THE 21ST.

SURELY

WHAT WHAT MY TV TOLDED ME THE 21ST. THE TV LIED TO ME LIZ THAT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN TV IS THE TRUTH BOX. D: D: D: D:

OH GOD PLEASE SANTA.

IDEFK TREE TOLD ME YESTERDAY THAT IMDB SAID THE 14TH BUT I JUST LOOKED AND IT SAID THERE IS A NEW EPISODE NEXT WEEK WHICH IS CLEARLY A HEINOUS AND VILE LIE

I AM BETRAYED BY THE TEEVEES AND THE INTERNETS

I DO NOT EVEN FUCKING KNOW

UP IS DOWN DOWN IS UP CATS ARE DOGS DEAN'S A TOP

DOGS AND CATS LIVING TOGETHER

It was Ellen that did me in. Her arc as The Good Mother and then her weird behavior which was explained through her lack of desire to live beyond her child. I mean, the FUCK. I am dead.

Oh man. Yeah. Just... yeah. I think the writers did an amazing job with Ellen. And Samantha Ferris just knocks 'em out of the park every time.

Man, like, fuck people who say this show doesn't have any strong female characters.

YES!!! THIS SO MUCH!!

I always liked Ellen, and Jo really grew on me. GODDAMMIT KRIPKE!

I can't even click on cuttags about the show bitching about them killing women. I mean, this was the most in your face death scene they've ever done, and people are breaking it down like it's misogynistic. Dude, they were heroes. Jo went out as a big time hero here. And she even had the lines to her mom about letting her die a grown up. WOW WOW. I just don't even know.

But Kassie, they should have killed a man! It's a personal insult to all women everywhere in the world that Jo and Ellen are both dead!

I am so fucking sick of that shit. (Then again, I am fucking sick of everything lately, so I have no patience for idiocy.)

I think Death's going to be a woman, too, and I am not looking forward to that.

Dude, I got into a bout of internets fisticuffs today with someone who was insisting that Twilight-related hate is sexist vile misogyny because it was written by a woman and the fans are primarily women and so therefore if you hate it you must hate women. IDEFK.

This is a good argument. If you're stupid.

I actually typed in your URL directly because I don't want to look at people looking through that lens right now. They rocked the fuck out of that death scene, and I am NOT going to go upstairs and wake my kid up OR call my mother (I've already talked to her today), but DAMN, it's tempting.

I feel like I've had my guts ripped out by hellhounds, but it's not a bad feeling for some reason.

Haha yes, that inclination for hugs was strong, gotta agree.

I just broke down sobbing at what Ellen said at the very end. Just... a great, really great heroes exit. Man. I also wondered at how Ellen was acting at first but it made sense by the end, that she'd go too. Still heartbreaking. That will definitely be a hard scene to rewatch. Fantastic acting from all of them.

I think this ep really fucked with us because it's about women. It's the mother-daughter dynamic and the show is usually about brothers and the father-son dynamic. So they brought it in a way that's very personal for the viewer. Which is especially funny in light of all the fangirl crap. They are tailoring the show to us, and people still bitch.

I haven't felt this emotional about a death on a tv show since Joyce died on Buffy, and I think that's the point.

I reject the paradigm that the show shits on women. I think they're trying, and this ep hit every button as serious art when that means I am empathetic to the media.

Yes to this v. much.

It's the mother-daughter dynamic and the show is usually about brothers and the father-son dynamic. So they brought it in a way that's very personal for the viewer.

Exactly. I think that really affected me more than anything else in the show in the past -- plus, I always watch SPN with my mom so BUCKETS OF TEARS. They did a fantastic job, I don't care what anyone else says.

I agree, I think they definitely are trying. (ahh god now I'm gonna think about that Buffy episode! Another good one.)

I am wrecked. I've always loved both of those characters and that was just. Jo is a HERO. they both are. and I'm totally only going to click the cut tags of people who I know are going to agree with me. ugh the writing and acting was so good there and just. *sigh* I've cried myself into a headache.

(although january 21st? do not approve! although am very excited about upcoming VD marathon. \o/)

I couldn't tell, in the VD marathon will there be new eps or just the old ones?

Not gonna lie, I always loved Jo and had this whole huge epic in my head about her and Sarah from season 1 teaming up to hunt demons, and probably falling in love along the way or something, and now I wish I'd gone ahead and written it (I think I actually started it at some point, must investigate) because now I've been totally goddamn Kripked.

I bawled like a little girl. I completely lost my cool. Supernatural has never made me do that before,as far as I can recall. UGH.

I really hope this is not just the indication of what's to come, because I didn't sign on to watch a show where rocks fall and everyone dies. However, I guess I should have realized that was what was going down when John died.

i may have teared up too but if you tell anyone i'll kill you

Don't worry, no one will ever know.

Too much, Show, too much.

Oh man, like you, I never invested much in Jo (but oh, Ellen - I've always loved Ellen), yet that death scene absolutely floored me. I was crying (not just the odd tear, either, I actually cried, dammit). Actually I know I identified strongly with Ellen (because, d'oh, mother), and I was also thinking "no way will she let that happen". Until it became clear she was staying, because she knew she couldn't save her daughter, so it wasn't worth going on. Which, hey, I can relate to, entirely.

Anyhow, what bothered me more than "they killed the women" is "they killed those women"! I loved Ellen, always thought of her as the great survivor, and the ranks of the hunters are getting pretty thin.

BTW - are you guys saying there isn't a new SPN until mid-January?

Eeek

Yes, no new eps until January. It's the CW, they haven't figured out how to broadcast tv shows yet.

I have no problems w/ people being sad that Jo and Ellen specifically died, CLEARLY, since I feel the same. It was heartbreaking all the way around.

What you said. Up there. (http://ethrosdemon.livejournal.com/543512.html?thread=14229528#t14229528)

That was my reaction exactly. I was so pleased that they made Jo & Ellen heroes. Female characters, and supporting cast, and *they* got to save the day instead of being rescued. I thought it was an honorable thing to do, and went along with Kripke's tendency to fingerpoint at what's right and wrong with the typical trends in the genre.

Supporting cast members die; we know this. Doesn't matter what shape or form they come in, they die. But, if they had to, I thought this was a great way to do it.

Yeah - I am with you 100%.

That ep ripped me apart and I never saw the tears coming.

Glad that i haven't read any reactions yet that show is mean to women and this illustrates exactly how. Because I actually thought that it was a pretty strong show of courage, self-sacrifice and heroism.

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