syncope: (jim is a mess)
syncope ([personal profile] syncope) wrote2009-08-01 07:12 pm

ibarw--or go fuck yourself, [redacted 'cause holly said not to use racial slurs]

Anon race fail

I think this speaks for itself. But I will also link to the context:

OP with links to original fail.

I had decided not to fuel the flames on this with posting about the kink meme bullshit because the less traffic the fools get, the better, but OKAY I guess I will.

Aside from thread after thread of extreme idiocy, flagrant racism, and baiting, I feel the saddest part of the original fail (on the kink meme itself) is the mods freezing the threads and saying "stop being serious, this is for lulz." Look, I get wanting to have fun and blockading your sandbox-of-fun against srs bznz. However, perhaps you should have a policy, such as "if racism or some other ism goes down, we step back and allow others to administer a beatown" rather than freezing threads. Freezing threads is basically approval of racist remarks. You are assholes, kink meme mods. I hope you're not on my fl. I feel like you probably are, though. I think you're dicks. It's a pain in the ass to do fandom husbandry and to host something like that meme, but you have a position of authority and using it to prop up the status quo of blatant racism and the disenfranchisement of minorities is the worst sort of cowardly behavior.

I would further say that in the above spnanonymeme and on the kink meme, it seems to me the logical response is to deny the herd mentality of blind anon posting by posting in response with your lj name attached. THIS shit is why I hate anonymemes. Wanking about how lame people's fic is is one thing, devaluing fellow human beings by being an ignorant ass fuckhead is something else entirely.

Read the threads yourself and make up your own minds. I won't tell you what to think, but I know what I think myself.

[identity profile] sevenfists.livejournal.com 2009-08-01 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
http://spnpermanon.livejournal.com/745.html?thread=98537#t98537

.......WHAT. THE. FUCK.

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2009-08-01 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Between these fools and the ones on the kink meme I am flabbergasted that SO MUCH of what has gone down in fandom in the last couple years seems to have missed at least two or three concerted morons. They have never heard the definition of racism wrt prejudice? EVER? Not once? Seriously?

They just got the internet down in Fraggle Rock.

[identity profile] sparkymonster.livejournal.com 2009-08-01 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
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I other news, it's always awesome to see white people being "edgy" by being invested in shoring up racism and white supremacy culture. Spoiler alert anonymous fans, when you denigrate and minimize anti-racist efforts, you are being INCREDIBLY MAINSTREAM AND BORING. In fact, you are the definition of status quo.

[identity profile] sparkymonster.livejournal.com 2009-08-01 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
They have never heard the definition of racism wrt prejudice? EVER? Not once? Seriously?

They are VERY busy with their white privilege blinders. Also, they checked the dictionary and it didn't say racism = prejudice + power so obvs everyone else is wrong.


IBARW makes my head explode every year because there are masses of people going "OMG I HAD NO IDEA" over racism 101 concepts.

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2009-08-01 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
It's even classier and awesome if you do it anonymously where you're COOL and LOLZY.

Seriously fuck off.

"What is she talking about, there's not reverse racism? COW! lulz!"

I'm going to make myself a drink.

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2009-08-01 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a puppy, your argument is invalid.

[identity profile] onelittlesleep.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
It's ignorance, but people who believe in reverse racism just cannot see how impossible that is in a society like ours. For white people, it takes a very in-depth self-awareness of privilege and power dynamics to get that. And there are just so many fucked up things wrong with the terminology, like the way whites use it to co-opt, undermine and make superficial centuries of systematic abuse, prejudice and ignorance. And the addition of 'reverse' to the term itself somehow insinuates that this is racism that's not the norm, not like REAL, NORMAL racism, which is against the Other (minorities). REVERSE racism is the WEIRD, EXTRAORDINARY experience of WHITE PEOPLE being treated poorly! Who would want to dislike white people, absurd!..Anyway, if it was really RACISM, to dislike someone because they're white, wouldn't you just call it racism, without the 'reverse'? How fucked up is that?

ANYWAY, IT'S INFURIATING AND I HAVE NOTHING I CAN SAY BUT AUGH! I wish people would stop being so knee-jerkingly reactive about being told "That's a racist statement" and would instead realize that racism isn't all Jim Crow laws and cross burning, racism is the everyday, basic ignorances and stereotypes, right below the surface, that impact and guide the way we talk, think, what we listen to, watch, read, believe.

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Whatever, everyone knows that anything YOU say is tainted by your...crazypants. Clearly you are confirming that these people are totally sound and correct in their belief in reverse racism, the scourge of Obama America!

Next you'll be saying that most people who get raped are women.

[identity profile] onelittlesleep.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
bwahaha, I ALMOST JUST ERASED this comment because I KNEW if people saw it, they'd be like "OH, THERE'S ONELITTLESLEEP, BEING WANKY. THIS IS JUST ONE OF *THOSE* RIDICULOUS THINGS SHE WANKS ABOUT, OBVIOUSLY."

UGH.

ALSO. I can really pointedly say that my own fuckin' realization about this shit happened VERY LATE. I am humiliated to admit that it wasn't long ago when I would have been like "Wait, what?" about someone saying "there's no such thing as reverse racism!" VERY RECENTLY I went to my husband all DISCONCERTED and IRRITATED and said "I DON'T THINK THIS...REVERSE RACISM SHIT IS REAL!" and he was like "YES, I KNOW," and I was like "OMG, WTF HAVE I BEEN THINKING FOR SO LONG! AUGH!"

I think in a lot of ways, political correctness has actually exacerbated problems for me. Political correctness takes care of superficial, surface attitudes and behaviors, but doesn't really allow people to experience the profound fuckedupedness of their internalized racism and prejudice, because everyone's just being SO NICE and not saying what's in their hearts. And if what's in their hearts is ROTTEN or confused or SICK, they might never say something stupid enough for someone to be like "THAT IS NOT OK." And call them on it.

[identity profile] cathybites.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
I really fucking hate people. I wish all those gutless fucks would admit who they are so I know who to avoid from now on.

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I think you're right about that. But I also think we're transitioning into a post-PC world where people realize that the hard realities have to be faced and the harsh words have to said. So we have Prez O saying "fuck those racist cops anyway" and Prof Gates refusing to back down, and even if there's a shitstorm the only thing that happens is tempering a bit, but NOT recanting. We have a long-ass way to go, but I think we might be on the path now. Maybe. I am a bit more hopeful.

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
This.

If you're that edgy, sign your fucking name.

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
They can't say that shit with their names attached. They know it's wrong, that's why they do it anonymously. The internet really is the fulfillment of the "Scruples" question "if you could get away with a crime and never be caught or punished, would you?" Fuck yeah, most people would.

[identity profile] cathybites.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
It's not much, but your icon does ease the rage a little.

[identity profile] nyoka.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
WORD.

[identity profile] cathybites.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
I would LOVE for some of those people to say that shit to my face. PLEASE. I'll be at the next Wincon. Come tell me you think reverse racism is legit and it's okay for Uhura to be taken down a peg.

FEH.

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah well, all strong women need to be taken down a peg. Ugh. Now I need to bathe. In alcohol.

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
CATHY ARE YOU GOING TO BEAT SOME PEOPLE'S ASSES? PLEASE PLEASE.

This could be a panel.

[identity profile] smithereen.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
This argument always reminds me of The Real World because there was a huge fight that Kevin (a black man) and Julie (a white woman) had the first season where he was saying black people can't be racist against white people, and Julie was like THAT MAKES NO SENSE! And it was the exact disconnect that ALWAYS happens in this argument every single time. At the time I sided with her. And then I had my first women's studies class (several years later!) where the distinction between racism and prejudice was laid out so clearly, and my very first reaction was THIS IS WHAT KEVIN WAS TALKING ABOUT! HE WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG! It was a huge revelation for me, and it was completely filtered through The Real World. That is so sad. But anyway. My point is- I don't really have one REALLY, but I will make one up now. I feel like it's really not that hard of a concept to understand if you're just willing to hear what's ACTUALLY being said, to take a second to understand how the words are being defined instead of falling into that knee-jerk defensiveness. But I don't think I've ever seen that happen.

[identity profile] sinden.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
Oy.

Okay, I know I say some dumb shit, that's a given, but I look like the height of enlightenment in comparison. Because I try.

It's the arrogance of not even trying to see the point. WTF.

[identity profile] affectingly.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
ILU. Seriously, though, I'll hold your drink while you beat them down.

[identity profile] musical-emjay.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
Aside from how WRONG WRONG OH MY GOD SO FUCKING WRONG those people are, what surprises me (and continues to surprise me all the time) is the sheer abundance of people who do not understand that MEDIA DOES NOT EXIST IN A VACUUM, YOU MORONS. I just...how do people not understand this? I'm majoring in goddamn Film Studies for fuck's sake. This fact is pretty much the axis upon which my entire degree rotates. Media of any kind is not a goddamn fantasy world in which you have free reign to be a racist, misogynistic cockface because "it's not reaaaaal LOL".

FLAMES. FLAMES ON THE SIDE OF MY FACE.

[identity profile] aggybird.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
No, DUDE, don't be embarrassed because I am completely with you. I live in the South, from (statistically) the WHITEST COUNTY in my state, and I had some really effed up ideas about race. Like, stuff that's maybe kind of funny now, but also HORRIFYING. It took getting out of my small town and going to college at a big university before I started to realize how skewed my worldview was.

I completely agreed with reverse racism, because I was like, "Oh, yes, black people have been rude to me," and I know that was so, so stupid in retrospect, (LOL, FAIL, ME) but there you go. It doesn't matter if you're late to the boat -- at least you got on the boat!

People interchange the words prejudice and racism when they really shouldn't, but I feel like a lot of them would... understand that they're wrong if you just explained to them that, No, racism is not about the color of skin, it is about power, authority, belief in superiority, and hundreds of years of ALL that shit. Prejudice is an entirely different beast, and hell yes there are blacks who are prejudiced against whites; there are whites who are prejudiced against other whites. But that's not racism. And arguing that "semantics" doesn't change anything, just, FLAMES. OF RAGE. ON THE SIDES OF MY FACE.

Anyway, the conclusion of this ramble is, you're totes not alone.

And, hahaha, sorry, I can never think of racism and PC without thinking of Dave Chappelle's skit on racism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4WoAnty748
Edited 2009-08-02 00:49 (UTC)

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