syncope: (jim is a mess)
syncope ([personal profile] syncope) wrote2009-08-01 07:12 pm

ibarw--or go fuck yourself, [redacted 'cause holly said not to use racial slurs]

Anon race fail

I think this speaks for itself. But I will also link to the context:

OP with links to original fail.

I had decided not to fuel the flames on this with posting about the kink meme bullshit because the less traffic the fools get, the better, but OKAY I guess I will.

Aside from thread after thread of extreme idiocy, flagrant racism, and baiting, I feel the saddest part of the original fail (on the kink meme itself) is the mods freezing the threads and saying "stop being serious, this is for lulz." Look, I get wanting to have fun and blockading your sandbox-of-fun against srs bznz. However, perhaps you should have a policy, such as "if racism or some other ism goes down, we step back and allow others to administer a beatown" rather than freezing threads. Freezing threads is basically approval of racist remarks. You are assholes, kink meme mods. I hope you're not on my fl. I feel like you probably are, though. I think you're dicks. It's a pain in the ass to do fandom husbandry and to host something like that meme, but you have a position of authority and using it to prop up the status quo of blatant racism and the disenfranchisement of minorities is the worst sort of cowardly behavior.

I would further say that in the above spnanonymeme and on the kink meme, it seems to me the logical response is to deny the herd mentality of blind anon posting by posting in response with your lj name attached. THIS shit is why I hate anonymemes. Wanking about how lame people's fic is is one thing, devaluing fellow human beings by being an ignorant ass fuckhead is something else entirely.

Read the threads yourself and make up your own minds. I won't tell you what to think, but I know what I think myself.
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[identity profile] slodwick.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
OMG I REMEMBER THAT ARGUMENT. I totally didn't understand at the time, but WOW, looking back Kevin was right!
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[identity profile] musesfool.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
I would pay CASH MONEY to see that.

What the fuck is WRONG with people? Ugh.

[identity profile] cathybites.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
Especially if they're uppity black women.

[identity profile] cathybites.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
I TOTALLY WOULD. y'know, if they weren't pansy asses hiding behind anonymity on the internet. >:/

[identity profile] cathybites.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
ALSO. I love the argument that it's not as if the OP requested "yeah, take her down a peg, send her back in the kitchen where she belongs", because apparently "take her down a peg" has NO negative connotations to it AT ALL.

fucking morons. MORONS.

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
I don't understand your point. I would say that about Kirk, too, jsyk.

[identity profile] cathybites.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
Clearly not only am I a reverse racist, I'm also a reverse sexist. Possibly also a leprechaun. I'll have to check on that.

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
So you're Irish and understand racism because the Irish have traditionally been oppressed in America? CHECK!

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
People don't like inconvenient truths, ask Al Gore.

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
I'm the first one to blame it on the Youth Today, but I don't even think I can fall back on that here.

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
Epiphanies come in all shapes. The reverse racism garbage pervades society, so it's not surprising that it takes a kick to the head to get the point across to people.

If only I could kick a few of the heads.

[identity profile] smithereen.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who remembers that incredibly formative TV moment in my life!

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
*hands you the alcohol*

[identity profile] zillahseye.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
Fact #1: Yesterday, I was drinking because I was, for the lulz, reading comments on a race article on a conservative tabloid. Fact #2: Today, I'm drinking because I read the comments on a spn anonmeme about race. Posit: Racism takes the guilt out of drinking. Conclusion: Racism is good.

PH33R MAI LOGIX.

[identity profile] sevenfists.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
I AM SO ANGRY. It's not that hard to educate yourself about racism! Fandom is all over that shit! What in god's name have these people been doing that they TOTALLY MISSED RACEFAIL '09? Not to mention all the discussions of racism that occurred before that!

The really sad thing is that I encounter people like this every day in RL, and yet it still manages to surprise me that there are white folk who are so completely oblivious to the millions of ways their lives are made easier by their whiteness.

[identity profile] maschalismos.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
ohshitson. I might have to try to get there if you're gonna be handing out ass beatings!

[identity profile] sinden.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 06:08 am (UTC)(link)
It's gone past entitlement into blatant disregard. So, yeah, not so much Youth Today as oh my god, I want to smack you upside the head so hard right now.

Especially the overuse of the phrase ... is crying 'racist'.
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[identity profile] labellementeuse.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
I think in a lot of ways, political correctness has actually exacerbated problems for me. Political correctness takes care of superficial, surface attitudes and behaviors, but doesn't really allow people to experience the profound fuckedupedness of their internalized racism and prejudice, because everyone's just being SO NICE and not saying what's in their hearts.

Whereas I totally clicked "post comment" to go into an extended rant how apparently "reverse racism" was becoming the next PC. "political correctness" and "reverse racism" are phrases that - to my perception - have origin stories so similar it's like RR was caught in the same freak chemical accident as PC and gave them the same superpower (problematising behaviour that is not problematic). They are both terms invented by right wing assholes to stop people from calling them on their racist, sexist, classist bullshit because if you do it they have this magical stick to beat you with - OMG YOU REVERSE RACIST. Or you say "hey, maybe we should be thinking about some of the thing we're saying about beneficiaries in this press release" - OMG YOU'RE SO PC. Neither of these sticks are valid sticks, because the behaviour of calling someone on their racist behaviours, just like the behaviour of trying to NOT use your language to oppress people, are behaviours that should be rewarded, not problematised.

Anyway, that was my rant, sorry to dump it on you as a stranger.

[identity profile] vylit.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 12:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I occasionally get these moments when I'm worried that some of these crazy, ignorant people have me friended. I wish they would have to wear a sign or something so I know to ignore and avoid their ignorant asses.

[identity profile] cathybites.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 02:25 pm (UTC)(link)
EXACTLY. The oppression against my Irish ancestors was SO GREAT that I'm still feeling it today, trufax.

[identity profile] onelittlesleep.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 02:36 pm (UTC)(link)
They are both terms invented by right wing assholes to stop people from calling them on their racist, sexist, classist bullshit because if you do it they have this magical stick to beat you with - OMG YOU REVERSE RACIST.

YES. And I was reading this article linked from [livejournal.com profile] ibarw's delicious and the writer said something interesting, lemme link: Getting people to think of racism solely as a diagnostic tool for ranking the goodness, rightness, and therefore authority/prestige, of white people, rather than as a system of violent oppression of people of colour: that must count as one of the biggest victories for the anti-civil-rights backlash.

I think this is relevant to what you're saying, because if acknowledging racism degrades into this "You're a racist!" "NO, YOU are the REVERSE racist!" name-calling back-forth, it becomes just a judgment of a person's goodness and rightness, which centers then on the abuser and not the abused, and diffuses and undermines the impact of the discussion and the confrontation of racism where it's found. WHICH IS SO F'ED UP, YOU KNOW? I GUESS?

From here: http://nowandrome.blogspot.com/2009/07/there-were-people-of-colour-in-past-too.html

[identity profile] sharksdontsleep.livejournal.com 2009-08-02 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty sure "reverse racism" is just white-people speak for "A POC isn't treating me like I shit diamonds," just like misandry is male speak for "A woman is questioning what I'm saying based on the merits of my arguments."

I work in a field where POC are in the power structure and white people are in the minority. I've encountered prejudice, sure, based on my age and race, but do I have the skin-crawling fear that I'm going to need to prove my own self worth (see TFV's account of car buying (http://thefourthvine.livejournal.com/112449.html?#cutid1))? Nope. Sorry cupcakes. That's not reverse racism. That's just someone being rude to you.

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2009-08-03 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Out in the wild, I assume any given white person is a racist bomb waiting to explode, but in fandom I do tend to expect people to be at least slightly acquainted with the basic concepts of white privilege and the fact that poc have a different interaction with the world than white people do. I think to some extent the anonymous coms are a safe space for white people to be butthurt over having a mirror put in front of them and told to look themselves in the eyes.

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2009-08-03 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I know that some people read that kind of conservative vitriol to know they enemy and shit, but I can't bring myself.

[identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com 2009-08-03 08:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Normally I avoid anything anonymous for the obvious reasons. But the kink meme? Who would have expected that garbage?

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