posted by
syncope at 11:21am on 07/05/2009
Some days, metafandom is just not something people should look at.
PSA: If you post in my comments, you're posting publicly on the internet as I rarely lock anything. You no longer have any "rights" over anything in my comments. If I want to move them with my journal? I will. If I want to make a needlepoint sampler of some piece of comic genius you dropped? I probably won't since I can't needlepoint, but I might pay someone else to do it. You're deluded if you think people don't c&p things in emails or AIM windows. I do it. You probably do it. Step back and stop worrying so much about your internet "rights." You have none.
It's like this: if I write some 76 part story about, say, Jake Gyllenhaal buying a dirt farm and joining the back to land movement, and then you c&p parts of that and search and replace the names and make the story about Adam Levine, that is technically plagiarism. However, the only "rights" I have to say jackshit about that are ethical, not legal. I was, after all misrepresenting the image of a real person. However, in fandom we have a long tradition of shunning people who do things like c&p and s&r because we believe in respecting ideas and personal expression. I understand that projects like OTW and the concepts behind them have convinced people that this mystical "copyright" issue extends to every single word they type, but no. That's just you thinking you should be able to control every word you type. You don't. You never have. Should people err on the side of not ripping other people off? Well, yes, and you should also not steal gas out of other people's cars. Do you "own" words written in public spaces or in other people's spaces? I think my opinion on that is clear. Ethically, it is best to consult others before using anything they have created--art, vids, fiction, lj posts. That's the good and right way to behave. God did not issue a legal precedent on that. Some people think he said not to steal, though, so you know.
Look, I'm not an enthusiastic supporter of DW, but if you hate it so much/it sucks all the joy out of your life, why are you over there looking at imported comments? Isn't there porn or something you could occupy yourself with? (This is a variation on the age-old fandom argument fallacy: why don't you do something important, like cure cancer instead of complaining on the internet?)
I think my actual frustration is less that people are complaining (hello, I am not new), but that people conflate LEGAL arguments with ethical ones. These things are NOT the same. Would it be nice to ask every commenter on your journal if they're cool with moving their comments? I suppose, but practically speaking, um? Is there a masterlist? I moved your comments. Don't comment here anymore if that bothers you because you're not going to sway my opinion on this.
(Please don't link this on metafandom, I don't need complete strangers up in this bitch.) Ok my commenters have things to say. But if I do get linked on metafandom, I just warn commenters who don't know me that I can be a jerk.
Is anyone else writing Gambit fic yet? Please?
PSA: If you post in my comments, you're posting publicly on the internet as I rarely lock anything. You no longer have any "rights" over anything in my comments. If I want to move them with my journal? I will. If I want to make a needlepoint sampler of some piece of comic genius you dropped? I probably won't since I can't needlepoint, but I might pay someone else to do it. You're deluded if you think people don't c&p things in emails or AIM windows. I do it. You probably do it. Step back and stop worrying so much about your internet "rights." You have none.
It's like this: if I write some 76 part story about, say, Jake Gyllenhaal buying a dirt farm and joining the back to land movement, and then you c&p parts of that and search and replace the names and make the story about Adam Levine, that is technically plagiarism. However, the only "rights" I have to say jackshit about that are ethical, not legal. I was, after all misrepresenting the image of a real person. However, in fandom we have a long tradition of shunning people who do things like c&p and s&r because we believe in respecting ideas and personal expression. I understand that projects like OTW and the concepts behind them have convinced people that this mystical "copyright" issue extends to every single word they type, but no. That's just you thinking you should be able to control every word you type. You don't. You never have. Should people err on the side of not ripping other people off? Well, yes, and you should also not steal gas out of other people's cars. Do you "own" words written in public spaces or in other people's spaces? I think my opinion on that is clear. Ethically, it is best to consult others before using anything they have created--art, vids, fiction, lj posts. That's the good and right way to behave. God did not issue a legal precedent on that. Some people think he said not to steal, though, so you know.
Look, I'm not an enthusiastic supporter of DW, but if you hate it so much/it sucks all the joy out of your life, why are you over there looking at imported comments? Isn't there porn or something you could occupy yourself with? (This is a variation on the age-old fandom argument fallacy: why don't you do something important, like cure cancer instead of complaining on the internet?)
I think my actual frustration is less that people are complaining (hello, I am not new), but that people conflate LEGAL arguments with ethical ones. These things are NOT the same. Would it be nice to ask every commenter on your journal if they're cool with moving their comments? I suppose, but practically speaking, um? Is there a masterlist? I moved your comments. Don't comment here anymore if that bothers you because you're not going to sway my opinion on this.
Is anyone else writing Gambit fic yet? Please?
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