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posted by [personal profile] ravurian at 06:41am on 21/09/2012
Weren't there rules about consent that Derek was following with his pack? If their consent was important, it suggests that the consequences of non-con turning were impressed upon Derek at some point by his family, which in turn suggests that it's possible. Derek's behaviour seems to indicate a whole canon of unspoken rules that he's trying to follow, stuff that he learned as a kid and so - sort of like religion in that he doesn't always see the point or understand the reasoning - does it anyway (IMO). I'm not sure Derek was all that attentive, tbh, in werewolf church. Maybe he never really paid attention because he was never going to be an Alpha, and now he's all, like, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. Maybe Derek is confused about fanon and canon too in that sense: 'what did they say in class vs what do I think I heard'.

And also re: consent - Peter only turned Scott. And yes, yes, Scott didn't consent, but that wasn't the point under discussion. You'd think a mad Alpha might've been turning people left, right and centre on his rampaging if it happened by accident. Instead, he glamoured a nurse, killed his niece, ripped up a bunch of arseholes associated with Kate, bit Scott because he liked his mum, and died, without accidentally turning anyone.

Peter was possessed of the facts about being an Alpha, say, and Derek only had the rote-religion-wasn't-listening version?

(So, yes - the Alpha's consent to a point, but, you know, instinct is bound to drive them too, and hormones, and possibly dumbness and alcohol. The Gerard situation is hardly indicative, since there are issues there about timing - biting gives him time to act while Gerard is in throws of changing etc).
 
posted by [identity profile] ethrosdemon.livejournal.com at 05:11pm on 21/09/2012
I'm not entirely certain about Derek having some kind of turning consent rules of conduct. I mean, did Isaac volunteer? Did any of the three of the ones who took actually have ANY idea what was going on? I really don't think so. He basically said "I can fix this bad thing for you" is what it seems like happened.

I'm completely ready to entertain your idea that the Hale pack had serious morals about turning people and consent that Derek grew up being inculcated with, but that would be fanon, too *laughs* I like the idea as a matter of fact, which would make Peter even WORSE.

Maybe he never really paid attention because he was never going to be an Alpha, and now he's all, like, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. While fanon, I think this skates pretty close to canon. Peter clearly knows more than Derek, and it's unclear if it's because he's older or if Derek was too busy playing video games and fucking Kate to have clued in.

I'm pretty suspicious of the consent issue because of Gerard and Scott, but I love everything else you have to say.

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